Let the bible speak
Submitted by Forgiven on November 16 2000 16:49:02
In reply to submitted by Gideon on November 15 2000 19:56:40
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On taxes...... What law or statute says that I must pay taxes...if you can find it, cause the IRS can't.... What form are you to use in order to report your taxes. If you can answer these without committing fraud....you win! There are rewards of up to $300,000 to successfully answer those questions, so be diligent... This should make it simple...because fraud is against God's laws. Ah - the IRS game. And game it is - I really don't care if there is a loophole in the law establishing the IRS which means that for some 5% of the world's population (US citizens) they may not be required to pay taxes. I'm far more interested in spreading the news of Christ Crucified. It is that the IRS game distracts you from the this task and undermines your service to God that upsets me. Your belief about the IRS may be true - as it may be true that Pluto is only a little larger than Charon, the satellite which rotates around it, but it DOESN'T MATTER. -------- Luke 10:7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. -------- Since the laborer is worth his hire...this by anyone's calculation is a zero-sum transaction. This would be covered under a common law right to contract. Anyone taking a portion to give anyone else those funds, is guilty of "theft by conversion"...again..against the law. If I hire myself out at $15 an hour in the knowledge that Uncle Sam will take $5, then I know that I am actually going to receive $10. It's part of the deal - the $5 goes to the government for them to supply me with useful things like defence (thank you to all you Americans for your defence of Europe during the Cold War - it is appreciated by some of us). So it is not theft in any meaningful sense - the contract exists on that basis. ------------------ Since the graduated income tax is one of the main tenets of the 10 planks of the communist manifesto....and communism is an extension of satanism.. I rest my case. Both Marx and Lenin were involved in satanism in England before being sent to Russia. Please - don't share your total ignorance with us - Marx lived out his life in freedom in England and didn't live long enough to see the Russian revolution. If your grasp of history is so poor, it is hard to take anything else seriously either. So - the graduated income tax was thought up by a Satan worshiper - well as Freemasonry (Shriners) are also Satan worshippers, and George Washington was one, I guess that leaves us quits. One of the most negative spiritual experiences of my life was a visit to the Freemason temple in Alexandria, Va, just outside DC. The main room is dominated by a statue of Washington - strangely demonic somehow. 1 Peter 2 seems to concern itself within the government of the church, with the whole verse taken in context. Ungodly and unregenerate men give ungodly and unregenerate ordinances. If you think Christ on one hand expects us to follows his laws and ordinances while at the same time following the ordinances of common, spiritually dead men, I think you do err. Two different kingdoms, and we cannot follow both. So that scripture cannot concern itself with the world, that we are not supposed to be part of. Scrpture must agree with itself not oppose. Oh please - it starts with the phrase about the Royal Priesthood that we are, and then goes on to talk about how we should live - firstly how we are to abstain from fleshly lusts - so that Gentiles should know you are not evil doers, then by obeying the earthly rulers - 'so that you may put to sikence the ignorance of foolish men' - again impressing the outsiders - and then servants - accept unjust treatment by ungodly masters. 'Ordinance of Man.... the king.....' - any reasonable interpretation means this must be the secular rulers; 'governors sent by him to punish wrong doers' - am I to assume that your church sends out people to punish wrong doers? It surely must do if you are to sustain this interpretation. If some pastor, who is the fiduciary of an incorporated church under the 501(c)3 non-profit status, and an agent of the state has told you this, then it is understandable, since by acting as an agent of the state, they have looked to the state as their suatanence and wages, rather than the Lord. What else can they say? Don't pay taxes....no write off... no giving to the "church"...no salary.... No - I worked this all out by my self.... do I detect a detect a measure of desperation here - can't win the argument fairly so I'll indulge in a personal attack? Reading the bible for yourself without the blinkers that you impose because of political beliefs is always an interesting experience! I'll stick to the constitution which is backed by scripture, thanks anyway. Whilst Locke's interpretation of the bible in his political thoery is well done, in fact it is a far less satisfactory interpretation of scripture than that provided by Hobbes' Leviathan (Locke can't actually provide a clear example of the people of Israel sacking a king). In fact both however are a desperate effort to provide a basis for the state other than the fact of its existance, the tradition, conservative and ultimately Christian view which says "There is no power but that of God; the powers that be are ordained by God" Rom 13. It is a modern arrogance to argue for the 'Rights of Man' - the doctrine on which the US constitution is based; indeed most Christians of his day condemned Thomas Paine as an apostate from Christianity. It is a rebel's charter - and that the youth rebellion of the 1960s started in the States is merely one of the lesser flowering of it. It is a constitution that allowed the continuation of slavery - indeed the first article evaluates a slave as three fifths of a person for the purposes of enumeration of persons for the House of Representatives. The treatment of the Indians during the 19th century is one of the most consistent exercises in the ignoring of promises ever carried out by one people. One can only despair that there has been no clear recognition of the degree to which a terrible mistake was made. And in our present day, the unwillingness of the USA to share the burden of reducing the emission of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere is a sad reflection of the failure of democracy at a hard time. Of course democracy itself is a pagan concept - first thought up by the boyloving(!) Athenians, practiced briefly by the Romans till it collapsed under the pressure of events, and then resurrected by the Dominican monks in the middle ages. Good pedigree! The bible offers us the chaos of Judges, and the king appointed by God in the Old Testament, and the elders (presbyters / episcopoi) appointed by the apostles in the New. Not a lot of sign of democracy there..... If we're going to move this conversation forward - and it appear to be a private one as noone else seems to have joined this thread for a LONG time - it might help if you were to give me some background of how you became a Christian, and on what authority you claim to operate. I would advise against too strong a claim on the bible - especially the KJV which of course was authorised a fan of witchcraft, which is why 'Macbeth' has such a strong scene of the witches. I'm a evangelical - open to correction and reproof by scripture, with rather little patience for the vain imagining of the ignorant when they demonstrably cannot be sustained. I look forward to hearing more. |
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