OK, I'll try again
Submitted by Dakota on January 17 2002 01:59:27
In reply to Oh yeah, shut the non-Christian up submitted by A.I. Watcher on January 16 2002 19:52:01
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First of all, I never said Christians were better than non-Christians. I HAVE re-read all my posts to you, and the comment simply is not there, as I knew it wouldn't be since I don't believe that way. I challenge you to copy and paste any such comment in a reply. And when you can't find it, then YOU will owe ME an apology. You seem to be taking the most offense from a couple comments you say Forgiven made. You have repeatedly insisted he called only the people at BC outcasts. I took the liberty of copying and pasting the remark below. "It's the old line - Jesus spent his time amongst those who were the outcasts of society, and BLs are pretty much as outcast as you get." Did you notice the letters BL? That stands for boylovers, not boychatters. So he was simply stating his opinion that society considers all pedophiles as outcasts. I'm surprised you would disagree with that, but it wasn't a slam at BCers. As far as the "bad morals" comment goes, he was simply quoting scripture. When he paraphrased it to be more relative to the situation, he posted the following. "As we spend time with those who have a substantially different moral code, the temptation to relax our own views is ever present." It's just a plain fact that many non-Christians have a different moral code than Christians. Now I agree that non-Christians have every right to live as they wish, but it can be a lot harder for a Christian to follow Christian guidelines (for himself) if he is always around people that don't share his beliefs. As an example, I try to follow the Biblical guideline of refraining from sex outside of marriage. Many people don't share this conviction. So if I spend all my time around people that don't have the same conviction, it is harder for ME to live by that guideline. In no way am I saying that everyone has to live by that guideline. It's just like when I'm on a diet. I have a hard time resisting temptation when I see others eating all the goodies that I chose to refrain from. Now, on to your preaching complaint. You can't ask a Christian questions about his thoughts and feelings and expect him to answer without ever refering to the Bible or Christian principles, which you would call preaching. But I haven't seen any time that anyone has ever said that YOU have to follow those principles, or even agree, which is the only thing you would have a right to be offended by. As for the "sinner" statement that you seem to be mad about.....I think I was the only one that called you a sinner. That is part of my belief. But I fail to see why you take offence at this, since I believe everyone is a sinner, not just you. How can you think this is a slam when I call myself the same thing. If you don't believe in sin or sinners, fine. You don't have to agree or accept that label if you choose not to. But to ask me to say you aren't a sinner is as good as asking me to say the Bible isn't true. That, I cannot do. On to your next question. Don't insult my intelligence by saying you are only using profanity to "colorfully" express your emotions. You just use it to attack and abuse the posters that reply to you. I think you use it for some kind of shock value you think it has, also. I guess you must think Christians have never seen words like that before. And how can you call it colorful when you use the same words over and over? I've taken the liberty of copying just a few of your more "colorful" ........uh......expressions of emotion and pasted them below. Anyone that doesn't wish to read profanity will want to skip the next section. you are one of the most vile, disgusting examples of a judgemental Christian I've ever met. / What an asshole / You were being an asshole as usual, I might aff, you arrongant, bigoted, hateful, fucked up, disrespectful dickhead. / And look here, cunt lips. / What an arrogant loser you are / STOP FUCKING PREACHING TO ME SLIMEWAD. / repugnant slime like Forgive. / Sometimes I wonder if you guys even realize what assholes you are. / You judgemental fuck. / you arrogant Christian shit / Then fuck you too, asshole / Bite me, fuckwad. / Give me a mother fuckin break / Fuck him and fuck you too if you agree with him. / Fuckin jerks! Screw you all. / Fuck you both! / Fuck you again. / STOP PREACHING AT ME, MOTHERFUCKER / SO FUCKING STOP IT, PRICK / Fuck all of you / then you are an arrogant, putrid, fucked up piece of shit / Fuck you, asshole / FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 These are by no means all of them, just a sample. And it makes it quite clear to me that you aren't interested in discussing anything. You aren't debating your position, or trying to convince anyone of your point of view. Your only purpose is to use everyone here for your verbal punching bag simply because we are Christians, and you hate Christians Actually, that's very similar to what the general public used to do to gays, and now does to pedophiles. I've checked a few of your posts at BC, and you seem to have a relatively calm demeanor there. So you must save your viscious side for us. And I find that very offensive. It isn't the words themselves that bother me, since I've seen and heard them all before. It's what you're trying to do with them. Vulgar name calling has no purpose other than to attempt to inflame its target. Now you may argue that I myself called you a name when I called you a sinner. That is true. However, I did not say it in an attempt to attack you, since I included myself in that group. But you are obviously using name calling just to make trouble. And I started this thread in an attempt to understand why this is being tolerated, time after time, post after post. I don't understand why we are expected to disrespect ourselves by sitting here like good boys and girls and take whatever you dish out. I haven't been the focal point of your abuse, but I still don't like it. I wouldn't like it if someone directed all this vehemence at you, either. To me, it's like someone is slapping someone else over and over, and no one does anything to stop it. And you're verbally slapping us all. You know, I think Forgiven is a better Christian than I am. I've heard Christian witnessing (you would call it preaching) compared to someone's house being on fire. If you see someone's house on fire, the moral thing to do would be to try to wake him up and warn him. It might upset him and might stress him out, but that would be better than not warning him and letting his house burn with him in it. Christians believe NOT telling people the gospel would be the same as not telling someone their house is on fire. They have a right to ignore you and go back to sleep while the fire rages, but they should at least be warned. That is what Forgiven has been trying to do, in spite of you repeatedly blasting him for only trying to answer your questions. That's why I think he's a better Christian, because after the way you've acted towards every single person who has tried to interact with you, I don't care if your house burns to the ground. All I want is for SOMEONE to do SOMETHING about these repeated assaults. Dakota |
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