Are you saying it's okay for an adult to manipulate an adult-minor relationship into something the adult wants without the minor knowing and/or making the minor believe he wants it too? I most definately did NOT intend to express THAT opinion. :-) I too agree that manipulating a relationship is inherently defauding the basis of that relationship and making it worth little more than a violent assault on the boy. What I was reacting to was this: It's too easy for adults to manipulate the relationship... I agreed with that and said this is why it is illegal. My counter-argument is that I believe invididuals are CAPABLE of dedicating themselves to NOT manipulating the relationship. If that is the case, I argue that the relationship can proceed into any area that the boy deems appropriate. I know several intstances of men who have dedicated themselves to NOT manipulating their relationship and the scores of boys who have benefited from a non-sexual reationship with them. I also know the few boys who chose a more physical connection and were also very satisfied with the progression of the relationship. The issue I was aiming at was the AVERAGE case versus the INDIVIDUAL case (just like I always argue). I think it takes a GREAT DEAL of introspection to be able to dedicate yourself to avoiding subtle, negative manipulation, but I do think it is possible. Wolfie |