Everything you ever wanted to know
Submitted by Nate on 2002-11-14 02:23:41, Thursday
In reply to Re: You and your guilt submitted by Reason Filled on 2002-11-14 00:02:58, Thursday
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You must do it in the lawful (Godly) way, which the Bible CLEARLY tells us is MARRIAGE. Start with a sweeping generalization, but don't bother to support it. Then thrown a red herring: Homosexual sex is often mentioned with unlawful, or unnatural sex. You want to go after the Greek words translated as homosexual next? That gets interesting as well. Maybe after we finish this. As for your accusation that I misrepresented God's word, I find it comedic that you posted the very definition I used. Well, at least I got it right. Guilt is nothing more than grief over what you have done. It cannot, in that scripture, have any other meaning. Sorry. You are supposed to be refuting my assertion that God does not use guilt as a motivator. Your proof text does not address the issue. You are using pure emotion to make a spiritual decision. Oh, come on! I just spent a lot of time laying it out in the original language, and you brush me off as being emotional? If homosexuality was so acceptable by God, why must you go so far just to suggest that the Bible doesn't address righteous gay relationships? If it was accepted by God, why wouldn't God see to it that it was mentioned right along with marriage? I go so far because I think that our base assumptions about what God said may be wrong. If He said, "Don't go whoring, and don't support temple prostitutes, and don't keep boy slaves for sex," then you tell me that God said you can never have a loving sexual relationship unless you marry a woman, I want to know why the message changed so much? As to why such relationships were never mentioned in the Scripture, I have to think it was just not a big issue to God. Its not as though the Jews were too holy to ever think of having sex with a boy. If it was important, it would have been included. If you want to argue that everything not specifically mentioned in the Bible is a sin.... You didn't tell me what you thought about the Greek word definitions that I presented. Shall I take your last paragraph as a concession that "the Bible doesn't address righteous gay relationships?" The only way you can suggest that God accepts homosexual relationships is to deny that the Bible is God's Word. Another sweeping generalization, (this one with the threat of Hell), to keep them off balance. ;) I would also like you to address my question to JohnDoe420: I am not taking assignments right now, thank you. Would you still like to discuss the topic at hand? But to satisfy your curiosity: I accept that the institution of marriage is a wonderful sacrament ordained by God, and may be the most perfect picture we have of the relationship between Christ and His Church. But what does that say about other kinds of relationships? Nothing. Unless you want to try one more time to convince me that everything not specifically mentioned in the Bible is a sin. Eh? Let's go even further. Yes, further and further from the point that I made. 1 Corinthians 7:1+2 Now, what is Paul telling the Church of Corinth? It would be ideal that a man never have sex with a woman (i.e. if he could COMPLETELY dedicate his life to God). Yes, Paul raises some curious ideas along in here: celibacy, no long hair, no women in church, oh, and hats - gotta have hats! The possibility of celibacy must have seemed strange to a culture where having babies meant everything. I understand thats how they interpreted all that talk about eternal life - have babies so your name will live forever! Now I digress.... However, since very few possess that strength, we should get married in order to avoid fornication. Now, if, indeed, we could enjoy sex, outside of marriage, why then would he make this statement? Well, the answer is right there. "In order to avoid fornication." Now remember that fornication means prostitution - they didn't teach me that in my church, still getting used to the idea, myself. So, in order to avoid prostitution, it was a good idea to get a wife, or two, or three. How does that exclude male/male sex? The argument of absence again? ......the most important question, being the last sentence. I hope I have answered your questions, now would you answer mine? I really am interested in why these original Greek words are interpreted so differently in our society. To tell you the truth, if nobody can answer me, I may begin to believe that I am right. Do you want God to hold you accountable for missing the opportunity to save a brother from his sin? I am getting tired. BTW, I hope you know that the line you quoted from me is straight out of the Bible. Really? What version? I couldn't find it in the 14 versions I searched. Peace RF, Nate |
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