Am I too late?
Submitted by F.O.D. on November 06 1999 at 15:59:51
In reply to Christ the Creator Submitted by Dirk Gently on October 31 1999 at 01:20:37
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I find some fascinating insights into the nature of the relationship between the Father and the Son from John 17. Jesus is praying to the Father for the disciples, and in verse 5 (also v 24) says "Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began". Jesus himself was very conscious of his relationship with the Father, even before he was born as a man, and indeed, before the world itself was. Now what existed before the world began? Does he mean he was in heaven with God before the Earth was formed? I suppose he means something deeper than that, namely that he was one with the Father before heaven and earth was formed, before man, before angels. Before everything, there was only one God, and the Father and the Son were Him and were of Him. We get some more clues again in v21. Jesus is talking about being One with the Father "just as you are in me and I am in you". Unity of Son with Father. "Duinity" (I made up that word). Add the Spirit and you get "Trinity". Now at this point I can get real heretical ;) Jesus talks about his unity with the Father in the context of the unity of the disciples, "that all of them may be one". But then he also adds "may they also be one with us...I in them and you in me". Does this mean the Eastern religions have caught a grain of Truth? Is Heaven, that which we are waiting for, the union of God with man? Will "Trinity" become "Multinity"? I better stop speculating here. Is it OK if I draw the parallel back to sexuality again for a moment? I mentioned below how I see the union of marriage as an image given to us to understand and follow the concept of "Trinity". And there are echos of that idea in this passage. When Jesus speaks of his union with the Father "just as you are in me and I am in you", it makes me think of the Biblical erotic passages: Song of Songs 6:3 etc, "I am my lover's and my lover is mine". F.O.D. |