...I agree completely. Jules, have you ever done a word study on paradosiV? I ask because when you wrote: By the way, I think most of the credit for things I've posted here must go to my college tutors - they've read more than I have and they're inspirational. I've really learnt so much about salvation in the past few months, and I suppose it's just been overflowing a bit! that's exactly the sort of relation the NT writers and early church fathers had in mind when they used the word in a positive context. Dirk |