Hi Jules, you've been wanting discuss about David and Jonathan. I had a couple of thoughts about it which I wrote in the thread that _d_ referred to below. I'll recopy what I wrote here: I can put forward a case refuting any sexual relationship between David and Jonathan, but at the same time supporting their desire for it. I note that soon after Jonathan and David "fell in love" with each other in 1 Samuel 18, in the very same chapter David became enamoured of Jonathan's sister Michal, and managed to betroth himself to her at the price of 200 philistine foreskins. Now what can we say about David's relationship with Michal? Enduring love? They ended up hating each other's guts. And throughout David's hapless and fateful infatuation with Michal, his friendship with her brother Jonathan, whose love was "better than that of women", endured stronger than strong. I tentatively submit that the love between David and Jonathan was "sexual" (in it's most general sense), but because of circumstances they were unable to consummate that love. And so instead of sexually expressing his love towards Jonathan, David reprojected that love on to someone where it could be expressed sexually while at the same time being as close to Jonathan as physically possible. Being not permitted to "fall in love" with Jonathan, he made himself fall in love with Jonathan's sister, instead. It's an interesting idea, though of course what is written in the Bible isn't enough to confirm it. How easily can my hypothesis be toppled? Fod |