Just responding to your reply to me, I want you to read this. I just want to try to help you up the intellectual ladder minus the sarcasm and prideful intent which I have displayed in practically all of my responses, and I apologise for that.

1) I want to remind you of something you said. You said, "What kind of Father wouldn't punish?" The thing is, hell is not a punishment (by whatever description), because it produces no positive change in the person who is being punished.

2) To 'punish' someone with no positive intent is called sadism.

3) If hell is eternal, then there is no positive intent, therefore God is sadistic.

The next thing I wanted to adress are your views on evolution. This had nothing whatsoever to do with what we were talking about. I presume that my message went through the 'atheist' processors in your brain and so you began to spout off your generalised reaction. We all do this sometimes, I more than anyone; especially with damnationist Christians. I am not holding any of it against your intelligence, I would just like to enlighten you.

(in every intellectual conversation the truth should always shine through)

Now, this is an approximate quote of yours: "T-Rex? What, that's only made up of like three bones or something, plus carbon dating is invalid". You then went on to attack Darwinism, as if Darwin has anything to do with modern genetic evidence. I don't think I need to explain the latter.

I know you don't honestly believe that you were trying to make a serious point with the T-Rex quote, so I'll go straight to the point:

Things have moved on since Darwin. Yes, I know, that took me as a surprise too. I was expecting it to just stagnate after the theory was developed and then nobody would ever question or test it again. Must be hard to get past that after centuries of trusting scripture.

(I had to leave one sarcy comment)

You are forgetting about:

FOR EVOLUTION

Genetic evidence
Radiometric dating
Geological columns
Natural selection
Observed speciation
Fossil evidence (a lot more than 'T-Rex')
Transitional forms
The equality of 'micro' and 'macro' evolution

FOR DEEP TIME

Geological columns
Radiometric dating
We can see stars over 6,000 light years away (disproves Young Earth irrefutably)
Moon/Earth syncronisation (shows that it is debree from a collision)
Background radiation (the big bang)
The red shift effect

If these are just big words, then I can simplify:

THE APPENDIX (it's there to kill us)
TRILLIONS OF OTHER GALAXIES (wasn't God thoughtful?)
MARSUPIALS ONLY IN AUSTRALIA (Noah must have discovered it)

It's almost as if God is trying to deceive us Youth??. I wonder, do you suppose this is all just hear to test our faith?

Finally, you said that the Earth is fine-tuned for life. Well, erm... XD

Where did you expect to find life? The arse end of pluto? In the middle of the sun? I mean seriously... There are literally thousands of trillions of planets. I think, that somewhere, at least ONE of them will be suitable for life. So, how come you act all surprised when you find yourself, as a life form, on a planet that suits it? Just wondering...

I don't want you to refute my arguments. You should talk to actual scientists instead. I have already heard just about all the creationist arguments out there (yes, including the one about radiohalos!). The fact that you used 'T-Rex' to try to disprove evolution tells me that you are using a child's knowledge of prehistory. It wouldn't surprise me if you couldn't even define natural selection. So, if you are going to refute me, please do one of two things:

1) Define what natural selection is (then you will have proven evolution)
2) Make the creationist argument, whilst acknowledging that God also created mosquitos, nettles, ecoli, malaria, pestilence, etc. etc.

I don't know how old you are, but please keep your mind open if you are a newer generation. PLEASE, literally for God's sake.

If I did not mean this sincerely then I wouldn't have come back to BoyChat to tell you in the first place. You won't be seeing, well... ANYTHING of me in future. I'm moving on.