I'm not arguing with BigCalv himself, but with his distress, to which I am witness here on this board. I know there's a way he could perceive the strain of love in gay relationships without springboarding himself back into promiscuous gay lifestyles that really weren't good for him (or anyone).

"Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails..."

Anyways, I noticed even when I was a kid that we North Americans all tend to give the more conservative people the right-of-way (no pun intended) if they seem emotional. In my home town, we had a woman who was incensed at government or commercial use of any language other than English, including our second official language, and at social gatherings she had a free ride to expound her culturally and ethnically biased ideas because no one was going to argue with Irene. As a member of a group myself that was further beneath despicable than cockroaches for her, I always found that approach regrettable. So much short-term convenience for long-term deformation of society - since, of course, there is always a market for such ideas, and occasionally they get out of hand.

So I am treating BigCalv - correctly I think - as a perfectly reasonable and conscientious man instead of as the neighbourhood's roll-your-eyes-upwards redneck. I think he has proven himself reasonable and essentially fair minded by not pulling the typical conservative "if you're going to allow that kind of thing, I as a right-thinking person will take my cookies and leave." He tells me I'm not a Christian and that I promote evil, and I tell him he's terrified of looking directly at love because it might un-moor him from the rigours of his salvation. We have an understanding.