Boylovers 'Facts' and quotes
Submitted by jordan on January 27 2001 01:37:17
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Before you ask what's the point of posting this or how is this relevant to this forum or whatever. Who knows? I just thought Id join the "Gideon Fact File" LOL! "We do not agree that the effects of childhood sexual experiences with older partners are ever likely to be positive, as is sometimes claimed. Rather, the effects are apt to range from neutral to seriously damaging" p. 352. Accusations of Child Sexual Abuse(R.Underwager and H.Wakefield,1988). "the effect of adult-child sexual contact enables us to maintain it is always harmful, even if not recognized as such ..." (R.Underwager, 1990) "Pedophiles are individually and personally responsible for their choice ... We affirmed their right to make the claim that they love the children and that love is part of God's will ... Now whether or not they can persuade other people they are right is another matter. Affirming their right to make the claim is not saying we agree with it(P.4)... We do not believe their claim that they love the children because they drop them at age 16 or so for a younger child (P.5)... what they claim is love is a penultimate expression and not the wholeness that God's will envisions (P. 8)... Our position is that sexual contact between an adult and a child can never be positive but can only be from neutral to destructive(P. 6). "Nowhere do we say that we believe sexual contacts between adults and children can be positive. We say there is freedom but we also say it is necessary to take the consequences of that freedom. While alluding to the Apostle Paul and his statements about freedom, we also say that he added the proviso that not everything works" (p. 4)... if they believe pedophilia is good, they must take responsibility and say it clearly. Come out in the open. This is the same basic argument in gay pride rhetoric and efforts to gain social and political affirmation of homosexual partnerships. What we are saying is not endorsement of pedophilia but rather a challenge to pedophiles to stand up and take responsibility for their choices". "Pedophilia is nonaffiliative, nonloving sex and represents a primitive, regressed agonal sexuality. This is why we do not think it can be positive in spite of the data that some persons report it to be positive(Eibl Eibesfeldt,1990). "... the repeated finding of some victims who perceive the abuse positively falsifies the claim that the damage abuse does is caused by the power discrepancy. The fact is that the discrepancy in power is present in every adult-child relationship. Therefore all such relationships must be destructive and if any one is not, the concept is falsified. The basic concept of the victim-oriented prevention programs is scientifically falsified" (Wakefield & Underwager, 1994). "... a major problem with pedophiles is that they do not want to take the consequences of their actions and pay the price for their choices, which is very likely to be going to jail. We say that the major difficulty with pedophiles is that they want to keep doing what they do and not have the society around them exact a price. We say it is not reasonable to try that. We say there are real differences between the behavior of pedophiles and that of others and that pedophiles should point out what the differences are and why they believe their behavior is acceptable" p. 12(Anderson. C,1993). "Of course, pedophiles can claim that their relationship with children is to love them and that God's will is that we love one another. Who can dispute their right to make the claim? We do not accept their claim, but they have the right to assert it ... the ancient Greek defense of pedophilia that it is love of children. Some of the best and brightest of western intellects have defended pedophilia by claiming it is love of children. This has been the position of pedophiles for over 2,400 years. From the earliest days of Athens, in the sixth century, B. C., pedophiles claimed their behavior with children was loving them and tutoring them. Socrates, Alcibiades, Plato, Aristophanes, Sophocles, Aristotle all claimed that love motivated pedophilia. The concept of Platonic love as an asexual affection is describing pedophilia. We assert that pedophiles have the right to make that claim if that is what they believe and choose". "If we hope to change the behavior of the adults, we must take seriously what their own subjective experience is. What is it that motivates an adult to approach a child sexually? The answer that pedophiles have given for over 2,400 years is that they love the children. That is what we must respond to. If we ignore that and simply brand them wicked, dirty old men, label their behavior monstrous, and punish them, we have not changed or altered their subjective experience at all. They still feel their love for children. Their emotional reality is the same as young lovers. Everything else they know and see in our culture tells them that is good, exciting, desirable. Their identification with the Pepsi generation ads is their experience of love for children. When they talk only with each other, they can only get reinforced for this emotional involvement. For the pedophile, what is experienced is not wicked and evil but good and desirable. That is why it has continued for over 2,400 years no matter what the society has said and done ... It appears there is a continuum of loving children. Initially, there is no disagreement that loving children is both noble and proper. This is the love of children that is romanticized and idealized in our society. At some point along the continuum, however, some people cross a line and become sexually motivated and sexually involved with children. We need to understand this process, distinguish an acceptable level of contact, and encourage limits and controls that are clear and possible. We can no longer continue the policy of harshly and automatically punishing and labeling the pedophile as the most despicable of men. All we have done is drive them underground so that we cannot identify them and we cannot do anything to prevent them from becoming sexually involved with children until after it has happened"(R.Underwager, 1990). "Research indicates that pedophiles are sexually active with far more children than at one time was thought. Abel, Becker, and Cunningham-Ratner (undated) indicate a single pedophile may abuse hundreds of children. A pedophile in Brisbane, Australia, was found to have abused over 2,500 boys" (Wilson, 1981). References Abel, G., Becker, J., & Cunningham-Ratner, J. (undated). Complications, consent, and cognitions in sex between children and adults. Under NIHM Grant No. MH33678. Anderson, C. (1993, June 25). Panel discussion. Diverse views. Memories of Abuse Conference, Minneapolis, MN. Eibl-Eibesfeldt, I. (1990). Dominance, submission, and love: Sexual pathologies from the perspective of ethology. In J. Feierman(Ed.), Pedophilia: Biosocial dimensions (pp. 150-175). New York: Springer Verlag. Finkelhor, D. (1986). A sourcebook on child sexual abuse. Beverly Hills: Sage. Underwager, R. (1992). Book Review: "The courage to heal." Issues in Child Abuse Accusations, 4, 251-252. Vander Mey, B. J. (1988). The sexual victimization of male children: A review of previous research. Child Abuse & Neglect, 12, 61-72. Wakefield, H., & Underwager, R. (1994). Return of the Furies: An Investigation into Recovered Memory Therapy. Chicago: Open Court Publishing Company. Wilson, P. (1981). The man they called a monster. 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