180 degrees is 50% of 360 degrees.
Submitted by Old Heathen Pedo on 2002-12-11 02:48:56, Wednesday
In reply to This style.. submitted by PlatonicDieci on 2002-12-10 20:14:09, Tuesday
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So therefore in actuality your rating of my post improvment is 50% better than the previous one. Not that I'm keeping score, mind you. As I've read the things I've responded to over again, and I've really prayed and thought a while considering everything, I would have to say at the least I contradict myself quite often. I do sometimes ask for help and push it away at the same time- as it's been pointed out. Not that I think there's any danger of it, but please don't take it personally- as I'll try not to take your posts personally either. Dear Brother Plato, Of all of the things that I was taught in life it is that contradicting oneself even over simple things is a sign that you want to believe what you say intially but later on you change your mind without even realizing it. I know it as God's way of reminding us that we are not being truthful with ourselves or others when we do such. When you do realize that contradictions are easily laid down behind you on your path then it is an opportunity to correct such behavior! Pushing away help even when you ask for it tells me that you don't feel worthy enough in your thoughts of yourself to accept what you ask for! As a young man myself I was often in the position of the same actions when offered help. There came a time though when I realized that in order to live in God's grace and assist others as he teaches then the first thing I had to do was love myself. Certainly I've come a long ways with that issue but there is still a long road ahead and this applies to all of us more often than not and most especially here in the BL community. The great mysteries of life cannot be solved in milliseconds or on your demand. One must allow God to work at the pace that He knows is the best for each certain individual and in each of those individuals own time. Demanding to solve your troubles is a sure fire way to fail at trying. I wonder though, who you are that you are 90% sure you've witnessed the same relationships I have. To be honest there are very few BLs who have, though there's smaller knit group that you may assume accounts for a larger majority than it does. Even if that's the case, it would be fair to say the sample is fairly representative of the whole. Again, as I reminded brother Drifter in a response above this one, you must have faith! There may come a time when I'm willing to allow you to know who I am but with the subject at hand I still feel that danger lurks in every corner and there are eyes who read things to gather information and the end result may be worse than the intent. You are correct in that I do overstate my relationship to Bach. While I consider him a friend, a 'close friend' is easily a misrepresentation. To explain my use a bit, I consider everyone who does not desire to hurt me a friend- even you. So a person who is at the least a trusted acquaintance falls under 'close friend' in my vocabulary. There's little to nothing I wouldn't trust Bach with, though that's an indicator of his character more than the depth of our relationship. This is what I fear might be an obstacle to you learning how interpreting relationships carries over to your thoughts of your YF/peer or any boy that you would later on decide was able and mature enough for a consentual sexual relationship. As long as we understand that brother Bach was only used as an example (though I feel he is worth far more than that ;)) we can see that you have some trouble in this area. It is very important that a person is able clearly and objectively see a relationship for what it really is rather than what they believe it to be. Alas, this subject alone could take up pages and pages of posts to discuss in its entirety. To put it toward something more on the topic being discussed here I don't think you've the objectivity on relationships needed to decide if a boy/YF/peer would be genuinely without harm. To jump back to the relational experiences, while I will probably continue to press the direction I have until I'm confident it's wrong, I do concede that the relationships I've experienced/seen could very well be strongly deceptive. But do you see that it is entirely possible to discover it is wrong only after the harm has been done? If you were aware how sex can damage a relationship and or be consented to for the wrong reasons. This is really a destructive path that can only lead to regret on both sides of the relationship. Being a BL myself I know the ease of which you can hide even the biggest elephants under the rug for a time... I would equate "elephants" with "Golden Calves" and all of us have thoughts of keeping one at sometime or another. So moving forward- what very specifically do you feel are the exact negative consequences to sexuality entering an AF/YF relationship? You're trying to boil it down to a sexual act instead of the whole picture. This is where your mistake is made. First there would be the reason why sex entered the relationship in the first place. If the AF initiates it then most of us would agree to it being wrong. If the boy initiates it then is he wanting it for his own gratification or is he in a way trying to pay a debt? Have you led him to believe that it would be ok and fun? Then you've the sexual act itself, choose whatever one you please. A sexual act is a sexual act regardless of who is involved. If you were partaking of an infamous "Glory Hole" in the restroom of a bus stop in Gary, Indiana you would not be completly sure if it were a man, woman or child on the other side of the partition unless you looked. Then you ask for exact negative consequences of sexuality entering an AF/YF relationship. What things in life are ever exact? I suppose I could list the obvious like regret, loss of self worth (which has many, many consequences of its own), prison, lightning bolt from God and eternal damnation. You need to be asking yourself all of the above and more. If you think narrowing down your justification to just a sexual act is really going to answer the queston then you are fooling yourself again. OHP |
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