"I don't have the knowledge or resources to prove it."

You are on the INTERNET a wonderful resource

"I don't know how subjective most boylovers can be when dealing with something that they crave"

"Sure they can find published examples of non-harmful boysex, and I can find published examples of harmful boysex. So we're back where we started, which is just personal opinions."

"Don't you find it interesting that the only people who even slightly accept this "risk factor" argument when it comes to sexualizing boys are boylovers?"

Ok so boylovers would have a hard if not impossible task of looking at this objectively, that I can cede could be true. The second quote here is only so true because you can find some examples to be better or worse research but you are right that there is research on both ends. If somehow having research on both sides of a debate makes all that research moot than fine all you are left with is opinion, ok.

HOW do you know the last quote is true, how? You, yourself, said there is research on both sides but it sounds like you have not looked for or read any on either side so how do you know who the authors of all this research are.

The often cited research written by a qualified psychologist who is not a
BL is known as the Rind report http://www.ipce.info/library_3/rbt/metaana.htm

Here is the abstract if you want to read it: "Many lay persons and professionals believe that child sexual abuse (CSA) causes intense harm, regardless of gender, pervasively in the general population. The authors examined this belief by reviewing 59 studies based on college samples. Meta-analyses revealed that students with CSA were, on average, slightly less well adjusted than controls. However, this poorer adjustment could not be attributed to CSA because family environment (FE) was consistently confounded with CSA, FE explained considerably more adjustment variance than CSA, and CSA-adjustment relations generally became nonsignificant when studies controlled for FE. Self-reported reactions to and effects from CSA indicated that negative effects were neither pervasive nor typically intense, and that men reacted much less negatively than women. The college data were completely consistent with data from national samples. Basic beliefs about CSA in the general population were not supported."

I have PERSONALLY met several non BL psychologists who would agree with the Rind report. I am NOT saying this is the majority. My point is you are arguing badly, heh yes I'll admit I am not taking a stance in this argument. I am watching you say things that make no sense and pointing them out. Make ya think eh.

Seems you are partly right the argument boils down to percentages and what percentages people are willing to risk. No one here is saying that NO sex with boys is harmful and no one is saying it ALWAYS is. Or are you saying it always is?

If you talk to most people they will agree with you. You cede that always going with majority opinion will not always get you the correct moral choice.

Many people who are not BLs are also similarly biased, though against sex with boys. That does not make their opinion correct or unbiased. Unless you think that statement is wrong then I'm not sure where we are on that.

Thing is this is not much of a debate, discussion, argument, whatever because we have completely avoided any evidence or specifics.

For example we have not said what a 'boy' is. That may seem like a stupid point but it is not. According to the law in some places you are not an adult (so boy) until 18, some places 16, some other ages for other places, some younger if you can fight it in court though that is rare. If you were to go outside the realm of law and ask people when someone is no long a boy but an adult you would get anything from 12-early 20s would be my guess. This IS important because everything within this topic would be different if we are talking about a 5yr old or a 15yr old.

What exactly do you mean by 'sex'? Being sensual, penetration, something else in between? Would you not react differently to different types of sex?

My conclusion is not that you are wrong but that you are not going to convince anyone the way you are arguing. You do state that you want to convince people that sex with boys is wrong so it will not happen so less harm will happen to them. Is this really your goal? I'm not saying you can't discuss things you have an opinion about without good reasons you can back up but don't think you will convince anyone who strongly believes otherwise unless you can. That is why I usually don't get into heated debates about things I think without strong reason and I will concede that I have no strong reason.

Your brother in Christ,
Godspell

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