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Posted by newgeorge on 2009-10-06 18:56:33, Tuesday
In reply to To what denomination do you belong? posted by Blackstone on 2009-10-03 22:17:46, Saturday

In order to keep this simple (I could easily get carried away here) I've copied your own list so that I can 'bounce' off what you already said blackstone. I've merely changed the words where I differ from you and expanded them sometimes.

I attend a roman catholic church. It's not a particularly good one: there's presently no priest and the community are pretty insular: I havent been able to integrate well but it is my local church. When I was living in the . . . . I attended an MCC in the evening and RC mass in the morning and also often went for services at the nearby Anglican cathedral. So I got my sacraments from the RCs, community from MCC and rich liturgy from the cathedral . . . If there was an orthodox church nearby I would happily attend there too. . . .

When I recite the creed, although there are still bits I don't fully understand, I do it in good faith and say it before God with my fellow Christians - not just those alive now but those who have gone before and those who are still to come.

The trinity is a constant source of grace for me: there is an amazing power which emanates from the very paradox . . .

I read scripture daily in good faith - though I am not always able to understand. Contained therein, oftentimes in a hidden way, is the Word of God but interpretation needs community, discernment and great wisdom - things which are not always apparent to me on a daily basis. The heart of scripture are the Psalms which I recite (and occasionally sing) each day in a monastic kind of way - not out of duty but out of necessity. Without this I soon lose my grip.These I suppose are my main source of grace.

Central to my faith is the sacrament of communion - and this is one reason why I converted to the Roman church. The two other ones were the inescapable fact that the Anglican church (in which I was baptised and confirmed) is built upon negative foundations (Henry VIII and the reformation) and because I believe we should all belong to one Christian family regardless of our personal differences. I am a Christian first and English second. [Church and state should never be combined in the English way.] Having said that I am very critical of the Roman church - particularly in its relationship with the other churches. My main longing is for unity and I wish the Romans could relinquish power and become much more flexible so we could create a 'commonwealth' of denominations with a representative council (loosely based on the curia) and an elected leader who would no longer necessarily be RC himself. (Allow me my dreams please!)

I love the Anglican cathedral liturgy for special occasions but the simplicity of the spoken Catholic mass is my 'daily bread'.

I place enormous importance upon an inherited Christian tradition and see myself, through baptism, as an adopted descendant of Abraham and Jacob.

I certainly believe in free will.

Another source of grace is the sacrament of communion. If I were allowed I would have joined a monastic order in the last few years because I recognise now (alas too late) that I have always had a calling to celibacy which I had failed to understand. I have also come to recognise however that there are reasons (so far not clear to me) why God has not allowed me to do this. There is a link between monasticism and the sacrament of communion which I still haven't fully understood but which I know to be immensely important.

just to expand a little on the 'trinity' because I think it is an indication that the love God has for his astonishingly diverse creation is not something 'beamed down' from somewhere 'up there' but something which emanates from and through creation itself. (Emmanuel) The diversity of the church is not a 'bad thing' as the catholics are often tempted to believe. This diversity emanates from the complex relationship between local culture and theology which, I believe, is very much a part of God's plan for his people. Religion should never be 'centralist' in the Roman way (as indeed the ancient Romans did, in some ways, understand rather better than the present Catholic church does). Local differences should be tolerated and embraced just as language differences are: they are signs of the (diverse) kingdom. [I don't mean by this moral differences so much as liturgical and intellectual ones.] I think there is an important place for democracy in the church - something the Romans have never been able to contemplate [although I felt that Vatican 2 was a 'great leap forward']. Democracy can also be a source of grace and revelation provided the community is rooted in prayer and scripture. I would cite the present problems over homosexuality and gay marriage and the place of women in the church as good cases in point. It is my view that general consensus can be an important source of revelation (within a prayerful community framework)and that over-strict and dogmatic adherence to scripture or tradition can (and does) actually work against the spirit.

finally I believe that we are all called to live a life of prayer just as Jesus was. Silence is an essential aspect of our relationship with God. If we are never silent how can we listen?

thank you for this survey blackstone. It has been helpful for me!



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