A point or two
Submitted by Triple Q on December 14 2000 11:59:15
In reply to Bringing something to the top... (asb)Oppossing... submitted by Sprite on December 13 2000 03:56:00
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3) It is all too clear that you are simply attacking MV and his views here. Now, I admit that I have not read all his posts, and obviously you & others have more experience dealing with him than I... But, of the posts I have read, I can say this; MV seems markedly less hostile than you, and a few other posters here, and his views(though likely more extreme than mine) are mostly focused on accepting children as individuals, with rights, rather than just see them as property. MV doesn't really show a "hostility". What comes through in his posts is a total unwillingness to discuss anything. He defines discussion as "I'll state my views and everyone else had better damn well believe that that is the ONLY truth there is. So don't bother trying to point out the flaws in my arguments." MV's approach is what aggitates the majority who try to discuss anything with him...along with his snide remarks and asides to divert the conversation so he won't have to explain his thoughts. If I sat back and actually thought about what he was writing, I no doubt would find some (emphasis on SOME) logic in it. But his attitude towards others militates against any reasonable conversation. 7) Yes, I will agree that it can be dangerous to lift oppressive barriers, for safety barriers may come with them. But, perhaps my views are unfair to some... The weak-willed fools, with virtually no self-control... The poor bastard who can't refuse temptation... But, are we really unable to stay away from temptation, or are we unwilling? Therein lies the problem with MV's "rights for children" speeches. He fails to look at the down-side of the issue. All he can see is that children are oppressed and need to being given the right to live their own lives. But, with that, comes a serious "security" issue. The "safety factor" that exists is basically thrown out the window when a child can make decisions that could scar him for life or even kill him...especially at younger ages. Simply stating that children need to be given their rights does not address these issues. And I HAVE given MV plenty of opportunity to do so. His reply: "Children need to be given rights. Period. What else is there to say?" Let me reply: "Plenty." Even the right to exist has a penalty...death. How can we not discuss the down-side of issues that could bring about so much sorrow if decisions are made too lightly? I would be overjoyed to see children with rights and respected...but not at the expense of their safety. If MV or anyone else truly wants to discuss the ENTIRE issue, I'm willing to listen...but not simply LISTEN. |
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