The true nature of the Incarnation

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The true nature of the Incarnation

Submitted by Forgiven on January 09 2001 18:38:35
In reply to Jesus Didn't Have To Receive The Holy Ghost… submitted by Andy on January 09 2001 14:41:56

means that if Jesus was FULLY human and not merely play acting, he needed the power of the Holy Spirit to operate by, as do we; it would not be legitimate for him to operate by his own power as the second person of the Trinity as in that case he is not FULLY human. (see Luke 4 v 14) Note that if this is not the case, the doctrine of a valid propiation of sins by the MAN Christ Jesus collapses; there is no great achievement for God to remain sinless by his own power, but in depending on the Spirit's power, he establishes that it can be done, thus breaking the legal debt against all humanity (Col 2 v 14) Note that it is the perception that Jesus is not fully human that is one of the reasons that people prefer to pray to Mary rather than Jesus directly - which is where this thread started!! And also that WE can share in that power and be a channel for its release to the world - now there's a painful challenge.....

It is difficult for me to accept the interpretation of the John passage as not including the real giving of the Holy Spirit. If that is NOT what happened, why did Jesus do it. Clearly all the power was not there at first - that is what the events of Pentecost are about - but the presence of the Spirit making a significant difference to their state of mind is the least that is consistent with Jesus' actions then. On the other hand this is a detail with little doctrinal significance; the other is rather more significant.

Follow ups:

God Incarnate… The Incarnate Word… - Andy January 09 2001 21:50:42 (9)
- The old old mistake: flesh is evil, spirit is good - Forgiven January 10 2001 14:13:25 (8)
  - 'Flesh Is Evil, Spirit Is Good'… Romans 8 (n/t) - Andy January 11 2001 11:32:50 (7)
    - But the word BECAME FLESH - Forgiven January 11 2001 18:59:57 (6)
      - which goes to show how much God loves us - Splash! January 11 2001 23:04:56 (5)
        
        No - someday we will have PERFECT bodies - Forgiven January 12 2001 02:57:00 (4)
        
        Flesh… - Andy January 12 2001 22:36:24 (0)
        
        how can we have physical bodies if... - Splash! January 12 2001 03:58:00 (2)
        
        See 'if I may...' above. - Nathan January 13 2001 02:21:31 (1)
        
        thanks - Splash! January 15 2001 22:57:19 (0)

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