Grace and Love
Submitted by PlatonicDieci on 2002-12-4 17:20:21, Wednesday
In reply to Re: Christianity, PedoSexuality, and Empiricism [long] submitted by Reason Filled on 2002-12-4 15:13:49, Wednesday
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I have never been so in tune and close to God as I have been while with my YoungFriends, though I cannot say that it would remain the same should I have been sexual. To be honest, I don't know any Christians who are actively gay or BL outside of those I know on the internet. I only know BLs who aren't Christian yet are just as loving and relatively happy in their relationships as those who are similarly non-Christian and heterosexually monogamous. To extend it to a Christian perspective you have to consider the theology. In your view the bodily attractions you have are wrong. Your belief, according to your post, is based on how you would feel afterwards, the easy corruption of sexuality, a desire to maintain his "innocence", the physical incongruence of same-sex intercourse, and your position on the Biblical condemnation of homosexuality. First off, I don't believe we can use feelings of guilt over sexual activity as the primary basis for determining the will of God in this situation. Society and religious figures have condemned homosexuality and adult/minor sexual relations for ages, which can easily inflict a sense of guilt regardless of the actual morality of the act. You could argue it's the voice of the Holly Spirit, but in order for that to be a strong basis on its own you would have to be able to negate any other sources of guilt- which is clearly not the case in today’s society. The fact that society views the Koran, Torah, and the New Testament as all condemning homosexuality would be strong support to socially based guilt. Second and Third, you list the easy corruption of sexuality and the desire to maintain innocence. Your assertions here require that certain sexual behaviors are wrong a priori, and they even directly assert that adult/minor sexuality would at the very least destroy some portion of "innocence." If you consider your arguments closely, what you are claiming is circular to the subject. "It is (or could be) harmful to have sex because sex is (or could be) harmful." You claim that to become sexual would be "exploiting", and yet again I find no evidence in your basis so far. Fourth is the physical incongruence of male/male intercourse. The design of the body most aptly fits male/female sexual relations. I would argue it also supports manual, oral, and anal relations. Some have even likened the small amount of pain associated with properly initiating anal sex for the first time to that felt in vaginal sex in similar circumstances. Even still, I would concur that vaginal sex is the most physically apt. That given, it still does not lend it any inherent morality. You yourself claim what feels physically natural may or may not be God's will. To this point you have only proven you dislike homosexuality, and shown that physical intercourse is best (but not singularly) achieved between a man and women. That proves nothing of God's desire concerning sexual relationships. And finally, at the end of your post, you do come to a point. Fifthly, you claim that your acts would not be supported by Jesus in the Bible. If I were to claim that homosexual relations were morally permissible, I would claim Jesus’ words more than clearly state that love is above all- and then that physical love leads to sensuality leading ultimately to sexuality and the greatest expression of love we are able to share with one another is that of sexual intimacy. The Old Covenant has passed away, the separation between our souls and God has been bridged- we are no longer under the Law, we are bound by grace and love. Love, for God and to each other. The same love that I wisper to my YoungFriend at night is the love that causes my heart to pick up when I see him, the same love that wills me to hug him close, and the same love that draws me to desire intimacy with him in the utmost form. To consummate both emotionally, physically, and yes- spiritually before God Himself. It is radical from your POV, but your fifth point is what you must have as a basis for all of your other arguments here. I am certainly playing devil’s advocate as I mentioned, but if Christ really did destroy sin, if we really are free and no longer bound by the old Law- then the New Covenant of love is what we are bound by. My love for God, my love for my YF, his love me, his love for God, and our love and honor of God and his gift of one another to each other are all bound. Three cords, one act. Love. Peace and Love to you, Plato |
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